with some pictures!
The infamous floor: FAQs*
What is the reason for the delay in finishing the work?
As Nigel has reminded us – most recently in his sermon on James 4 – the Lord is sovereign over all things, and it is his will and desire for us to trust Him and wait!
And what is the technical reason for the delay?
The timber floor cannot be laid on the still slightly damp sand-cement screed base which has been prepared.
Why is that?
Like all manufacturers of timber flooring, our supplier (Junckers) cannot guarantee that the floor will not warp and twist unless the moisture content of what it is laid, and the surrounding air, on is within certain humidity limits.
How far away is it from the target moisture content?
We are looking for numbers from the readings of ‘less than 3’ for the floor, and 35-75% humidity in the air. The general trend at 12 sample points continues to be downwards, but 10 of the 12 are still (as of 8 July) in excess of 4. The air humidity has been within acceptable limits for some time.
What has been done to dry the floor?
The heating has been on almost continuously since Easter, with windows open to ventilate the warm moist air from the building. Since early July a large fan has been used to force ventilate the space.
Why wasn’t the time it takes to dry the floor anticipated?
There are ‘rules of thumb’ for screed drying based on the thickness of the screed. Some of the screed is thinner, and that has indeed dried. But most of the floor is 70-80mm thick. We knew it would take time, but every building is slightly different.
Is there anything in the existing building that could be slowing the drying?
The very thick existing walls of the church are certainly damp, and old buildings work not with damp proof courses, but with walls that ‘breathe’ moisture in an out on a cyclical basis. One theory is that the heating is drying the walls  too, but quickly saturating the air and so slowing the moisture drying from the screed. The other theory is that the screed is like a ‘sponge’, actually absorbing moisture in the air as quickly as it dries. Frustrating as it is, neither architect, nor contractor, nor flooring supplier, nor screed manufacturer can say with certainty what is happening to our floor!
What about sealing the screed, so that the moisture won’t affect the wood?
That is possible. There is a worry about the effect of leaving moisture in the screed, as it may not be healthy for it in the long term, that is, it may break down over time. That risk is probably small in our case. So there are liquid products available that prevent moisture from evaporating at a rate which would endanger the wood, and we are pursuing that as an option.
If we were to use a floor seal of this kind, or the floor were dried naturally, how long would it then take to finish the work?
The contractor has indicated he will need 6-8 weeks to get back to site and finish the work. After the floor has been laid, there are more decorations to complete, and the audio visual installation also needs to be finished.
What has PCC decided about this?
PCC have been kept informed. At the July meeting, there was a long discussion about the options open to us to bring the problem to a conclusion. It was agreed that the team could actively pursue the option to use a suitable floor seal, provided the contractor and suppliers agreed to its use – that is, could guarantee the floor would not warp. We are currently in discussions about this option.
 If you have any other questions, email Helen, and if John or Dave can’t answer, they will try to find someone who can.
*FAQs = ‘frequently asked questions’, as Helen, Dave and John will attest to…
Speech to the January Planning Committee
Speech to Cheshire East Northern Planning Committee 22 January 2014
Submission in favour of the proposals
My name is John Lee – a Chartered Architect for 20+ years, Senior Lecturer at Manchester School of Architecture; and for today’s purposes, Churchwarden at St John’s Knutsford. I speak for the church in favour of the proposals.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
When I was here last, I noted the Committee’s interest in hearing about St John’s Church – a strong, active and committed community in Knutsford of over 300 people – 180 ordinary families, old and young. And the Committee’s interest in those families commitment to community (and the town) by paying to restore their parish church – £540,000 and counting.
I would like to thank you for taking the time to go to look at St John’s. I described how the wish of those people is to relocate the windows to bring the church building back to life – inside and out. I am sure that having done so you will appreciate for yourselves why it is necessary.
In the short time available, I would like to remind the committee of the matters that should properly be at the heart of making a decision today.
1 The works already have the equivalent of Listed Building Consent   This was covered through the process of Ecclesiastial Exemption and the faculty jurisdiction. Only after 11 months of consultation with every heritage body did the Chancellor of the Diocese (a highly experienced circuit judge) weigh his decision and grant permission.
2 The works now need Planning Consent (according to CEC)   And the correct test of our proposals according to Section 55 of the Town & Country Planning Act 1990 is whether they materially affect the ‘external’ appearance of the building. (Not the interior). I remind the Committee that the stained glass windows were behind protective grilles, and some will have new protective grilles. No material change.
Despite the TCPA 1990, the Planning Department’s ‘Further Report’ includes comments on heritage, technicalities of window repair, and internal changes which stray away from the substantive issue of whether the proposals materially affect the external appearance. Those comments should (with respect) therefore be disregarded in your decision.
Again: this is a project with huge community support, real community money, and (now) specialist legal and planning advice. The proposals have the equivalent of listed building consent; we the families of St John’s, in so far as it is needed, request planning permission to relocate the windows.
Thank you.
Will it change or not?: Bibles
No, the Bible won’t change!
But the Ministers have been carefully considering how we might read God’s word during our services. There is a practical need to replace the pew Bibles used in the new space, as many are tatty and damaged. Using a projector for the Bible passages is not satisfactory, for one important reason: it will never feel quite as ‘real’ and powerful as a physical book in the hand. In addition, we have found there to be technical problems with verse numbering when projecting.
A decision has been taken to adopt the English Standard Version (‘ESV’) in place of the New International Version (‘NIV’). New ESV pew Bibles are being ordered for the reordered church building. There are two reasons for this change.
On the one hand, the NIV is no longer available in the translation used in the red pew bibles. This is because all new NIV Bibles now use ‘gender-neutral’ language. In common with many in our tradition, the Ministry Team regard this as not being as faithful to the original as it might be, thus impairing in some measure the clarity of the word of God.
The ESV is a more ‘literal’ translation, helping us as we look into the detail of God’s revelation to us, and as we ‘search the Scriptures’ together on Sundays. We may find some passages more difficult to read, with longer sentences, and we may need more practice for public reading. You will find many passages are very similar, especially in the Old Testament.
The NIV has not suddenly become heretical! Far from it. It is an excellent translation, and you may prefer to use it in your personal studies. But in the church services, we will be using the ESV when we move back.
If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to speak to Nigel, Richard or Chris.
[The short slideshow, including a side-by-side comparison is available here.]
Prayer and Pastries
All members of the church family are warmly invited to an All Age Prayer and Pastries morning – Â an opportunity to pray specifically for the reordering process, Phase 2 and for the financial needs. It is also the first prayer meeting of the new year, and a chance to pray for all that is ahead of us as a church.
It’s on Saturday 11Â January 2014 from 9.30-11.00am in the Church Centre
The exciting news is that we have negotiated access to the North aisle of the church so that we can view the current progress, and get some idea of the way the reordered space will feel. Be there if you can!
Planning Committee Meeting
The meeting to consider the Church’s planning application to relocate the stained glass windows was held this afternoon. After the wind turbines and house extensions were cleared from the agenda, it was our turn. Knutsford Conservation and Heritage Group, and Knutsford Town Council both spoke against the proposals, and then we had our three minutes to speak in favour.
In the subsequent debate, it quickly became clear that the Councillors were worried that they may not have fully understood the proposals, preventing them from agreeing with the Planning Officer’s recommendation to refuse consent. The outcome was a ‘deferral pending a site visit by the Committee’ – a great result in the circumstances.
It was interesting to note the reaction to the realisation that the families and households of the church (i.e. you!) were entirely funding the project. That seemed to weigh in the discussions, i.e., that our view of what we wanted in the building ought to be balanced against a heritage argument which presumed against change.
The Committee will visit the building, probably in January, and then we’ll have another Committee Session to attend in either January or February.
So thank you for praying! The Lord is at work…
Will it change or not…?: Audio Visual System
On 1 December, the second short Q&A was given by David Adams on the subject of the AV proposals – especially on the ‘visual’ side of the new arrangements.
You can find a PDF of the slides here.
Will it change or not…?: Seating
Slides from the first of the ‘bite-sized briefings’ on 24 November – details about the move back into the new building – can be downloaded by clicking here. You can check whether the seating arrangements will change or not! (They will.)
Will it change or not?
The move back into the new building will be upon us before we know it, and we would like everyone to be comfortable and aware of what that will be like. As you can imagine, there will be a number of things which will be different, perhaps strange, perhaps exciting – but certainly new. That’s the whole point, of course!
Unfortunately, it’s often difficult for the many people to be able to commit to a long session where we might discuss the fine detail of the reordering. We need to do it in bite-sized chunks!
So – we’ve had the idea of holding a series of short sessions after the 10.15 service*. They will take the form of a (strict!) 5-minute presentation or interview about a topic, answering two simple questions – what will change, and what will stay the same. This will be followed by answers to 3-4 follow-up questions which people may have. It will start at 12 noon precisely in the  Hall.
‘Will it change or not…?’ Slot
Suggested topics:
- Seating arrangements
- Service formats
- Sound & music
- Sidesmen and welcome
- The Bible we use
- Coffee time
- Storage & bookstall
If you have any other topics you’d like to hear about, please let Helen in the Church Office know, and we can try to include it.
John & Julija
* We’ll do the same but in two sessions after the 8.45 service, one in December and one in January!
Reordering update
At the last site meeting, we were able to see the new concrete floor!
Although the contractors need to put down the wood floor, it’s now possible to get some idea of how the final space might look. The contractors are also still to demolish the clockwork wall between the Narthex and the main space.
Anyway, we took the opportunity to film the inside, and the results can be seen by clicking here!
Service arrangements during building works
We have prepared a PDF document which provides more information about the services we run and how they will be while we are out of the church for the building works.
You can download it here.
The 10:15 service has relocated to Knutsford Academy Lower School Building. Children’s and young people’s groups will continue as normal within the Lower School Building. Parking is available on the Lower and Upper School grounds. There is a drop-off point for the elderly at the Lower School.
If you are able to leave your car at home and walk or share a lift this would be appreciated. Please plan to arrive 10 minutes before the service starts for a prompt start. Access will be through the main front entrance to the Lower School Building. Refreshments will be served as usual at the end of the service.